Category: Breeders

  • Off-Color & Designer Color Great Danes, Good or Bad?

    Off-Color & Designer Color Great Danes, Good or Bad?

    Great Danes come in a range of beautiful colors. Brindle, merle, black, mantle, fawn, blue, and harlequin are the 7 colors typically accepted in the written breed standards. Deviations from the breed standard can result in a range of coat colors not traditionally associated with Great Danes. There exists a prevailing concern among breed enthusiasts and experts regarding the intentional breeding of off-standard and designer color Great Danes.

    Merlequin, Brindlequin, Fawnequin, Lilac Merle, Tan Point, and chocolate are popular ‘off-standard’ colors, to give you some examples.

    Many Great Dane owners are drawn to breeders who focus on creating eye-catching coat patterns in their puppies. Read on to learn more about this controversial practice!

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    What is an Off-Standard Color Great Dane?

    This is a big one folks, buckle up! 

    What is an off-standard color Great Dane, or “designer color’ Great Dane?

    It’s a Great Dane that is NOT one of the 7 currently accepted colors in the written breed standard.

    The 7 Great Dane colors are Black, Mantle, Blue, Harlequin, Merle, Brindle, and Fawn. You can read more about them here: https://www.hellodanes.com/great-dane-colors/ 

    Mis-marked versions of the accepted colors (for example, a Fawn with no black mask or a Brindle with a white chest are always a penalty in the show ring, and any color that isn’t one of those seven is automatically disqualified from the show altogether. Most can be registered, however!

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    Color Purists vs. Color Enthusiasts

    There are two major schools of thought on this one.

    Color Purists & Breed Preservationists

    This group believes that purposefully breeding Danes in off-standard colors is bad and that new colors should only be added to the accepted color code following diligent research into the color and its benefit to the preservation and health of the breed.

    They believe that breed color families should rarely be mixed.

    Color Enthusiasts 

    Believe that if a color is naturally occurring in the breed, it should be allowed to be bred and allowed in the show ring and that it’s in some ways discriminatory to exclude quality Danes that come in colors outside of the 7 outlined in the written standard.

    They believe there is no problem with mixing color families.

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    How do Great Dane Color Families Work?

    Without getting into the nitty gritty of genetics, it’s important to understand that as a general rule there are only a few ‘color’ families:

    Breeders typically breed within these families:

    1. Harlequin / Merle / Black / Mantle
    2. Fawn / Brindle / Black
    3. Blue

    The color purist breeders will mix and match within those families. They may pair a fawn and a brindle together or a harlequin with a mantle, for example. Their goal is to create colors that meet the breed standard.

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    The color enthusiast breeders will mix them up, choosing to pair a harlequin and a brindle or a blue and a merle, for example.

    If you are a geek about this stuff, we encourage you to visit the fun coat colors group on Facebook!

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    An all-white double-merle Great Dane

    Is Breeding Off-Standard Colors Ethical?

    Now of course, we can look at this and think ‘well, what’s wrong anyways with pairing a harlequin and a brindle together? Brindlequin dogs are so neat looking!’  

    The issue is actually more complicated than many think.

    Many color enthusiast breeders will intentionally pair already off-color-standard dogs with other off-color-standard dogs.

    For example, fawnequin + lilac merle or chocolate + mantle-marked brindle to see what neat colors come from the pairings.

    The result? Tons and tons of ‘new’ and interesting markings on litters of Dane puppies. Great Danes are very special this way.

    In many cases, the off-standard litters being born are a FUN surprise for the breeder and those interested in the puppies! It’s incredible for social media AND for sales. That right there is a major red flag.

    This practice of creating off-standard colors is naturally rewarding because of this. The problem? These breeders are being rewarded for focusing on color first, not temperament, structure, and health.

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    A sickly merlequin Great Dane puppy

    Off-Standard Colors are Fun

    Here is the problem, though.

    Off-standard colors are excluded from being shown.

    Say what you want about show dogs, but dog shows are one of the only ways a breeder can verify that the dogs they are breeding are structurally sound.

    What we are seeing as a result? 

    100’s of Great Dane breeders so focused on creating fun designer colors that they cannot see the forest for the trees.

    Great Dane health & structure are suffering.

    Yeah, we’re going to go there. 

    When a breeder is choosing dogs to breed, they should be first focused on structure and health.

    Ethically, they must choose full health testing of both parents (hips, heart, eyes AND thyroid) and seek feedback from peers (in dog shows and otherwise) to make sure that they are breeding dogs that have excellent genetics.

    Unfortunately, many (of course, there are exceptions) ‘color breeders’ are so focused on color that they disregard the original form, shape and function of the Great Dane….often to the detriment of their health.

    What ends up happening is the creation of 1000’s of Great Danes in ‘unique’ colors, made to sell easily to unsuspecting buyers, that come from breeders who don’t have the best interest of the puppies in mind.

    Basically put, that’s a lot of Great Danes that are contributing to an increasingly alarming problem of poor overall health, temperaments and structure.

    Extremely droopy eyes, flat feet, roached backs, bloat, wobblers, cancer, cardiac problems, cataracts, entropion, seizures and thyroid problems plague Great Danes. While one individual puppy may be ok, over time these incremental changes are problematic. 

    Because off-standard colors cannot be shown, there are no checks and balances for breeders that focus their breeding program on color. 

    Basically put? It’s a free-for-all. 

    Some breeds have addressed a similar problem by creating a scoring sheet that can be used to evaluate if a single dog is breeding quality, without the breeder needing to get into the show circuit. 

    That’s not happening in Danes that I am aware.

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    Some Off-Standard Dane Colors are Especially Bad

    All or mostly white Great Danes and Merlequin Great Danes (looks like harlequin but with merle patches, no black ones) are most often the result of unethical spot-spot pairings.

    Also known as Double Merle Great Danes, white Danes may be deaf or blind and many have internal health problems (autoimmune disorders, seizures, allergies, etc.) and poor temperaments.

    These dogs are 100% preventable through thoughtful breeding practices & genetic color testing.

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    Double Merle Breeding in Great Danes

    What’s so interesting about double merle Great Dane dogs is that it’s a problem for both color pure and color enthusiast breeders!

    Color Purist breeders 

    These breeders may pair Harlequin + Harlequin to create ‘show marked’ Harlequin dogs.

    They often cite that there aren’t enough quality black or mantle studs to use, so this is the only way. They know that double-merle puppies are a consequence of that, and some will even euthanize those puppies before 5 weeks of age. The GDCA condones this practice.

    At least these puppies DO tend more often to come from well-structured, well-tempered proven dogs, and some breeders who do this see to it that the DM dogs from these litters live long, healthy lives in carefully selected homes.

    Advances in genetic screening and our understanding of the Merle gene have made this practice safer, too.

    Color Enthusiast breeders 

    These breeders often end up with double-merle puppies because they weren’t aware it could happen (for example, if they pair a fawnequin with a lilac merle, which sounds cool but is a really, really bad idea), or because they didn’t color test and know that a solid-color dog in their program was a cryptic merle (a black Dane, for example, that recessively carries the merle gene), or they did it intentionally because they know they could get the super popular color puppies (which may also be deaf or blind).

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    Great Dane Coat Color and Health 

    Double Merle puppies will nearly always have some kind of health issue, mild to extremely serious.

    There is some information bouncing around that modifying the black spots to fawn on a Great Dane (Fawnequin) for example may impact internal health, though we’d like to find more information on this.

    If that is truly the case, there are many off-standard colors that would be extremely unethical to pursue off-standard colors for this reason alone. More research is needed.

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    Off-Standard Colors in Well-Bred Litters

    Ethical breeders who work within the outlined standard color families can and do occasionally get a surprise off-standard color puppy.

    Some are mis-marked, heavily marked, or the result of recessive genes.

    Unlike dogs from color-focused backyard breeders, however, the random off-standard pup in a litter will never be sold for breeding, will have come from well-structured dogs, will not be sold at a higher price as ‘rare’, and will be supported for life.

    We will continue to repeat this:

    Ethical breeders focus first on structure, genetic health and temperament. If the focus is first on creating unique colors, there is a problem.

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    Off-Standard Colors and ‘Racism’

    Some backyard breeders, when faced with those that don’t support intentional off-color breeding, will say that those people are being ‘racist’.

    We cannot think of a more tone-deaf statement, to be honest. Comparing human skin and human experiences involving racism and discrimination to dogs’ coat colors is extremely misguided and ignorant.

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    The Honest Truth About Intentional Designer Color Breeding

    Take a look at this sickly designer color puppy above while you hear us out.

    There are two kinds of Great Dane breeders.

    BREEDER #1

    • Cares very much about the puppies they produce. Profit is not the goal, health is.
    • Temperament, longevity, and structure matter to the point where they are willing to NOT breed a dog that doesn’t meet their standards.
    • They support buyers for life.
    • They spend a lot of money on health testing, genetic screening, training and socialization.
    • They invest hours of blood sweat and tears into their dogs and care very much about every puppy they produce.

    Breeder #1 is breeding dogs to better the breed and to ensure that those who share their lives with that puppy are presented with an animal that has every opportunity to be a happy, healthy, friendly and robust family pet, in ANY color.

    BREEDER #2

    • Cares mostly about profits and fun.
    • They may be friendly and even caring towards owners and the puppies they produce, but they are willing to cut corners.
    • They may only partially health test the parents (choosing to do only hip scans, for example, so they can tell you that they are ‘reputable and health test’)
    • They are often blind to the structural problems they are passing on.
    • Droopy eyes, roached backs and a mild problem with aggression towards dogs or people may be common.
    • They don’t always support buyers for life

    Breeder # 2 has learned that there is no reason to fully health test the parents or ask for honest feedback on their structural health when they can paint the puppies  ‘Lilac Merle Euro‘ and sell them at a premium, basically.

    Now be honest…knowing that this is how it often works for ALL Great Dane breeders (standard colors or not), which breeder would you rather support? 

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    Off-Standard Colors can Muck Things Up

    We are already having a huge and growing problem in Great Danes when it comes to longevity, health and temperament.

    So when breeders intentionally pump dogs into the system that don’t meet the breed standard for structure and come in a range of neat colors, things get messy.

    This is especially true if breeders are selling off-standard color dogs to other breeders.

    This practice is introducing a massive range of new color genetics (dominant and recessive) as well as perpetuating common structural & health problems. 

    Over time, this could mean that it becomes more and more difficult for breeders to find and use quality dogs for breeding.

    Many say that additional colors are necessary to diversify the gene pool, and we don’t necessarily disagree. It honestly seems pretty silly to exclude a healthy, well built dog from a breeding program or dog show just because it’s not a ‘standard’ color!

    However, those additional colors need to be ethically produced. As it stands right now? Most really aren’t.

    Dare we say this?

    Off-standard color breeding is largely a practice of backyard breeders. This is a sad and unfortunate truth that needs to be addressed if more off-standard colors are to become a reality in the Great Dane color code. 

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    Adding New Colors to the Great Dane Breed Standard

    Merle was added to the GDCA color code in 2019 when it was recognized that this color was a common and natural by-product of ethical pairings, served to help diversify the gene pool, was being bred with outstanding health and structure and wasn’t resulting in notable health problems.

    Mantle was added in 1999, for the same reasons.

    Chances are, additional colors can be added to the color code and eventually shown as well, especially if those colors are a natural byproduct of thoughtful dam/sire pairings.

    Unfortunately, backyard breeders are not going to be able to make that happen. As long as their focus is on color and not health, the breed club has no legitimate interest in listening.

    The currently accepted colors are there for a reason, while the off-standard colors are not…for a reason. Those reasons need to be addressed.

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    How Do We Fix This?

    How do we encourage ALL color-focused breeders to choose ethics, and to focus on the breed as a whole before focusing on color-driven profits? Here is what we would love to see:

    • No more cutting corners. FULL health testing of both Dam & Sire, no matter what. Heart, Hips, Eyes & Thyroid, no excuses.
    • Genetic screening and pedigree study for color genes and common genetic issues (bloat, Von Willebrand’s and IMGD, for example).
    • Submit dogs for structural evaluation. While off-standard pups cannot be shown, there is no reason to hide them from the world. The Great Dane Conformation Clinic on Facebook is a great resource.
    • Be willing to wash dogs from the breeding program that don’t pass health testing or meet basic standards. There is no excuse in the world for breeding a dog that has flat feet, a roached back, narrow hips and a genetic history of aggression, bloat or wobblers!
    • Stop selling ‘designer’ color puppies to other backyard breeders. Be choosy!
    • Stop marketing off-standard color puppies as ‘unique’, ‘designer’ or ‘rare’. It’s misleading to buyers who want a healthy, robust family pet and believe they are receiving a ‘premium’ dog.
    • Only breed parents that have excellent temperaments.
    • Title the dogs! Train them and get CGC or trick or dock diving titles. Prove them in some way. Stop hiding them from the world. A lilac merle or brindlequin Dane with exemplary structure and temperament kicking butt in obedience and sports would go a LONG way towards encouraging positivity towards off-standard color breeding!
    • Stop hoarding dogs; if there are too many for each to have a rich family life, enrichment and loving retirement, it’s not ethical.
    • Support puppies and buyers for life. Keep those babies out of uneducated or abusive homes and out of rescue, please.
    • Don’t breed spot-to-spot, especially if the result is that the sick pups will be euthanized or dumped into rescue or into abusive and dog hoarding situations.

    We’d like to think that none of this is all that difficult, but we understand that for many profits and fun will always trump ethics.

    Our hope is that buyers see this, know the difference and choose which breeders to support accordingly. 

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    See it yet?

    It’s not the color of the puppy itself that’s the problem.

    It’s the unethical corner-cutting profit-driven breeding practices that led to it. 

    We understand that off-standard color puppies are fun and unique.

    It’s so simple. Meet the basic standards of ethics. Prove us wrong!
    Show us that breeding for off-standard colors can be done right ethically

    Want a Great Dane in a Designer Color?

    Don’t feel guilty about that. Danes come in some really unique colors!

    This fawnequin (from a breeder on our ‘bad breeders list’) is a classic example of backyard breeding, and exactly what you want to avoid, however. The pursuit of this color meant that aspects of health and structure were grossly disregarded.

    Look for and verify that the breeder you are interested in is FULLY health testing both parents (hips, heart, eyes, thyroid), is supporting buyers for LIFE no matter what, is fully socializing the puppies and keeping them until at least 8 weeks of age, and that the pedigree is free of heart problems, wobblers, bloat, dysplasia and aggression.

    If they cannot answer those questions or share that information, look elsewhere. We can paint puppies any color we want to, but it the color won’t matter if they are sick. 

    If you have an off-standard pup, get out there and love the CRUD out of it! All Great Danes deserve the best home ever. We love all Great Danes, no matter what color they come in!

    We will never fault a Dane owner for the dog they have and love; after all, these beautiful creatures become loved family members no matter what they look like!

    Our hard stop is on the bad breeding practices though. That needs to be brought to light…so where we are. Please share this post. Dig deep! Re-evaluate what you think you know about off-standard colors and hold breeders to a higher standard!

  • Backyard Breeder Bingo

    Backyard Breeder Bingo

    All of the Pandemic Puppies flooding into rescue right now have me thinking, once again, about backyard breeders.

    So for fun, I hopped into CANVA and made a backyard breeder bingo card that you can share to your IG story or on your blog! Just right click and steal it from us, we will DEFINITELY allow you to take and share this one! (Though, we do ask that you keep the board as-is and don’t crop or photoshop it). You can tag us on IG @hellodanes

    I will clarify each square below! Note, this card is in reference to backyard breeders who INTENTIONALLY breed dogs for profit. Not truly accidental or rescue litters. Please also see our note below the post about how ALL dogs do deserve a home, and how you can make sure that happens without supporting unethical breeding practices!

    Why is backyard breeding such a problem? Because unethical breeding practices are almost solely responsible for heartbreak, sick dogs, aggression, health problems and the sheer volume of dogs that are overwhelming our Great Dane rescues right now.

    BACKYARD BREEDER BINGO HELLODANES

    BUY NOW BUTTON/ONLINE STORE – This is always shady business for two reasons. Number one, a lot of ‘scam’ breeders with no puppies at all use this as a money grab and two, no ethical breeder is going to let you just checkout/purchase a puppy without getting to know you first. Never, EVER purchase a puppy by using a ‘buy now’ or online checkout option, even if you think the breeder is ‘reputable’.

    NO LIFETIME BREEDER SUPPORT – Ethical breeders care VERY much about the lives they produce. They never want to see a single one of their dogs in rescue or sick because of a congenital or genetic problem. Ethical breeders will support you if something pops up from training issues to health problems, and will be there for you even if you are simply unable to care for the dog you purchased. Backyard breeders? They just want your money and to be done with it. Ask every Dane sitting in rescue right now if their breeder cared where they ended up in life…

    UKC OR CKC/CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB REGISTRATIONS – These registries (not to be confused with the CANADIAN Kennel Club/CKC, which is reputable) are littered with litters from backyard breeders. Any breeder that cannot obtain a real AKC or Canadian registration will go to the UKC or the Continental Club. Reasons that your breeder may not have AKC or Canadian registrations? They may not have had breeding rights for the parents they were breeding, the pedigree is mixed or the lineage is unknown. Either way you shake it, it’s unlikely those dogs should have been bred.

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    DOESN’T ADHERE TO GDCA ETHICS BASICS – We are consistently astounded how many ‘friendly’ and ‘caring’ breeders miss the boat on the ethics of breeding put forth by the Great Dane Club of America (and Canada). If you are going to breed Great Danes, shouldn’t the parent club be your resource and guide? Read their ethics and recommendations here, and make sure your breeder is following these basic guidelines when developing a breeding program: https://gdca.org/breeders/code-of-ethics

    ‘DESIGNER’ COLORS IS THE MAIN SELLING POINT – Off-standard colors really shouldn’t be a problem, however many backyard breeders are so focused on creating popular and unique colors that they disregard temperament and sound structure. Color should NEVER be the main selling point of a breeding program. Health, temperament and structure first, always. After that? If the color fits, wear it.

    SPOT-TO-SPOT BREEDING/DOUBLE MERLE – Breeding two dogs together that each carry the merle gene (you know, the gene responsible for those pretty merle coats and MANY ‘designer’ colors), each puppy has a 1-in-4 chance of receiving both copies of that gene. Sounds ok, right? It’s not. These dogs are called ‘double merle’ and many of them have significant health problems, blindness and/or deafness. Read more about double-merle dogs here: https://www.hellodanes.com/double-merle-great-danes/

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    BREEDING RIGHTS FOR ANY BUYER/FULL AKC – Ethical breeders will be very cautious about selling a puppy to somebody that wants to use it for breeding. While it seems like you should be able to do whatever you want with a purchased dog, we have to remember that dogs aren’t couches. They are living beings, and breeding them is a massive responsibility. Ethical breeders protect their lineage and understand the difference between a ‘pet’ Dane and one that has the correct structure and genetics to be bred. Want to breed? Find an ethical breeder and ask them to mentor you. Prove that you care about developing a sound breeding program; this will greatly increase your chances of getting access to purchase a quality foundation dog for your program.

    PARENTS HAVE BAD STRUCTURE, FEAR OR AGGRESSION – A lot of breeders who sourced their foundation dogs from breeders that didn’t care if they bred the dog or not (see above) are also the same types that are breeding dogs with structural and temperament faults. Flat feet, roached backs, bad angulation, extremely red droopy eyes, fear and aggression…these are NOT things that should be passed onto a litter of puppies. Breeding a dog like this ignorant and gross. Meet the parents! They should be excellent examples of the breed standard with beautiful movement and structure and wonderful personalities. Ethical breeders are very proud of the parents they are breeding. Want to learn more about structure? Read the written standard here: https://gdca.org/wp-content/uploads/TheGreatDane/An-Illustrated-Standard-and-Guide-for-the-Evaluation-of-the-Great-Dane-1.pdf

    NO CONTRACT REQUIRED – If a breeder doesn’t require a contract, it’s a sign that they do NOT care who you are as the buyer, do NOT care to support the dog for life, don’t offer any kind of legitimate health guarantee, don’t care if you breed or not, don’t care if you surrender to a rescue. THEY DON’T CARE. Contracts outlining responsibilities, health and return requirements are a must. Verbal contracts likely don’t hold up in court, either so be suspicious when a breeder doesn’t want to put anything in writing.

    MINIMAL EARLY SOCIALIZATION PROGRAM – Keeping dogs in a barn or on a tile floor with a short play session on grass and some exposure to kids or farm animals is NOT thorough socialization! Ethical breeders focus a lot of effort into creating confident puppies by exposing them to a huge variety of sounds, textures and experiences. They have puppies exploring obstacles (tires, water, ramps, gym mats, etc.), facing their frustrations and learning about household sounds (vacuums, for example), nail maintenance (clippers and dremel), crating, potty training, kids, handling, exams, collar/leash and more. Puppy Culture, ENS and Avidog are examples of appropriate early socialization programs.

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    SHIPS ASAP/WILL SHIP ANYWHERE – Dogs. Are. Not. Couches. If a breeder is willing to ship live animals that deserve love, affection, training and a good home to anybody sight unseen, TREAD CAUTIOUSLY. Some ethical breeders and rescues will ship dogs, but they require extensive checks into references and a video call or local visit to see your home and where the dog will be living. They will often use a network or a transportation nanny to move through the system with the dog and ensure it arrives comfortably and in perfect health!

    PUPPIES ARE TIMID OR SCARED – If you go to meet the puppies, or see photos and videos and notice they are timid or scared, there is a HUGE problem. The breeder may be breeding timid/fearful parents, not socializing the puppies, abusing the puppies or the puppies have health issues. Any way you shake this, it’s bad news. Puppies should be energetic, bouncy, curious and playful. Not afraid. Contrary to popular belief, being ‘timid’ is NOT a ‘Great Dane Thing’.

    PUPPIES HAVE A SPECIFIC % OF ‘EURO’ – This one is a can of worms folks. Our ‘Euro’ vs. ‘American’ Dane post is coming soon, but until then? Tread cautiously with any breeder who uses ‘Euro’ as a primary selling point, and especially if they give you a specific ‘%’ such as ‘38.5%’. European and American Great Danes have nearly identical written standards and look the same. There is a big difference between a European Great Dane and a ‘Euro’ Dane. A puppy marketed as a  ‘Euro’ Dane is a hypertype Dane and many suffer from health problems (obesity, structural issues, heart problems, bone growth disorders, etc. Entropion, allergies and bad feet are common).

    IT’S YOUR DOG, DO WHAT YOU WANT  – This is a breeder that is breeding for profit and has no desire to support you as the buyer or ensure that the puppy is never surrendered to rescue, bred unethically or abandoned. They want to wash their hands of you and the dog and they package that dirty practice up in a neat phrase that sounds like they are giving you more ‘freedom’ as a dog owner. Yikes.

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    PUPPIES SENT HOME BEFORE 8 WEEKS – This is money grab central, folks. Breeders get tired of the puppies and from 6-8 weeks they eat a TON of $$ food, they are noisy, they are annoying, the mama dog is over it. A breeder that sends a puppy home prior to 8 weeks is setting that dog up to fail, however. They need corrections from their mama and littermates to learn bite control and appropriate play, as well as dog interactions, confidence and more. Read more about why taking dogs home before 8 weeks is both unethical and a huge problem here. There are very, very few reasons for a breeder to do this, and 99% of them are not a good reason. https://www.hellodanes.com/why-great-dane-puppies-should-stay-with-the-litter-until-8-weeks/

    UNDERAGE PARENTS (UNDER 2) – While some sources allow for dogs to be bred prior to 18-24 months, in Great Danes we consider this practice to be extremely unethical. Growth plates are not even fully closed yet on a Dane that isn’t 2: giant breed dogs don’t mature until at least then. Additionally, you cannot fully register some health testing results with www.ofa.org until a dog is 2 years old. All dogs should be fully tested (and passed) before being bred, so jumping the line with an underage stud (and especially with an underage dam) is bad practice.

    ‘CHAMPION’ BLOODLINES BUT NO AKC, FCI, of CKC/CANADIAN KENNEL CLUB CH., GCH. or BIS TITLES – ANYBODY can put together a dog show and award ribbons and ‘champion’ titles. The only legitimate champion lineage comes from the major, reputable registries that work with the breeds established parent club: AKC, Canadian Kennel Club and FCI. The pedigree should be well-documented. Say what you want about ‘show dogs’, but dogs that have been awarded real CH. titles are excellent examples of the breed. Dogs that have been awarded fake or low quality CH. titles? Seems pretty shady to us…

    NO APPLICATION REQUIRED – Without an application, how is a breeder to know if you are a legitimate, caring, committed home or not? Remember, abusive people can be friendly when you meet them in person. Good breeders want information about your home, your experience with Giant breed dogs, children in the house, your desire to work with your dog or breed it, and whether or not you actually plan to seek vet care, professional training and otherwise. They are more interested in choosing the right home for each puppy than in going down the list and selling puppies as fast as possible.

    VERY FEW PHOTOS OF ADULT DOGS – A good breeder is going to be proud of the parents. Be wary of any breeder where the focus is primarily on puppies (profit generator) instead of on the adults, the lineage, structure and health. There should be several clear photos of the adult dogs being bred, ideally where you can see their structure and possibly even seeing them interacting with people, dogs and even kids. If a breeder is hiding photos of the adults or isn’t sharing them as much as (if not more so) than the puppies, be curious about WHY. The adults may be being abused, are sick or are poor examples of the breed.

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    PARTIAL OR NO OFA HEALTH TESTING – OFA Health testing is so much more than a vet check, and it’s extremely important. Each dog being bred should have hip/elbow x-rays to test for abnormalities (including dysplasia), an echocardiogram to test for genetic and congenital heart problems, a thyroid test and an eye exam with a board certified veterinary ophthalmologist. Make NO mistake, a breeder that skips these tests or only does one of them so they can ‘claim’ to be ‘OFA health tested’ is likely being SHADY. Proper health testing costs money and may require that the breeder wait before breeding or remove a dog from their program. They tend to skim over testing or avoid it altogether because of this. The results should be published to www.ofa.org for you to verify.

    PUPPIES HAVE FLAT FEET/WORMS/KNUCKLING – Yeah, this is backyard breeder territory. Experienced, thoughtful Dane breeders know how to deal with (and avoid) flat feet and knuckling. Flat feet may also be genetic (yikes!). There is no excuse in the world for a puppy to have disease, sores or WORMS. Gross. However, these things are fairly common with some of the worst breeders…even the ones that appear ‘popular’ or ‘friendly’.

    NO TITLES ON ANY DOGS – did you know there are 100’s of titles a dog can obtain that have nothing to do with dog shows? A breeder that is active with their dogs, or that has owners who are active with them, will have titles in the lineage that include everything from obedience (CGC) to dock diving, scent work and more. While many breeders don’t obtain titles (and it’s not automatically a ‘bad’ thing), it’s one standard we do like to see considered more often. Look for titles in the lineage and from other puppy buyers, proving that the Danes being made are enthusiastic, well-tempered and trainable. A litter of puppies built with the correct temperament to obtain Canine Good Citizen titles is a litter of puppies that will make EXCELLENT family pets!

    BREEDING FOR COLOR BEFORE HEALTH – This is a huge can of worms. Great Danes come in piles of beautiful, interesting and unique colors. Only 7 are colors that are considered ‘standard’ and can be shown. There are questionable ethics and a lot of argument regarding both sides of this fence; some believe off-standard colors are bad while others believe they are necessary, with opinions everywhere in between. Our position is that off-standard colors are ok IF the breeder is focused first on health, structure, temperament, lineage, and the breed as a whole. If the breeding program is focused first on color, odds are you’re going to have a lot of dogs with interesting coat colors that have poor structure, instability and worse…shortened life spans. These are all genetics that they may pass on to future generations, too. It’s not fair to paint a dog ‘lilac fawnequin’ if obtaining that also means that it will be born with a heart defect, allergies and cow hocks. Color is fun, but don’t believe for a second that color is the only reason to choose which parents to breed.

    SELLING IN A FACEBOOK GROUP – Yup, we’re going to go there with this one. Some breeders make themselves appear ‘popular’ and even ‘reputable’ because they are so NOISY trying to sell puppies on social media. They post available puppies and litters in Facebook groups, often multiple times with very slow sales, indicating largely that they bred their dogs before knowing if there was even any interest in them. With RARE exception, ethical breeders often have waitlists and will not need to resort to desperately trying to ‘home’ an 8+ week old puppy on social media. This is actually a RED flag and not a sign that a breeder is popular simply because you keep seeing their name pop up in your local community.

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    EVERY DOG DESERVES A HOME

    Nobody is saying that a dog from a backyard breeder is any less deserving of love or a home.

    But before you focus only on the cute puppies, take a look at the 100’s of dogs sitting in rescue right now. Many of them are unadoptable, require insane amounts of funding for their veterinary needs, have significant issues with their training and socialization and may have permanent medical problems (including missing limbs, megaesophagus, being blind or deaf or needing heart medications for life).

    ALL of these dogs deserve homes. The problem is, every time we support a backyard breeder, we directly fund the production of the same animals that end up with expensive health problems, abused, neglected, abandoned and unwanted.  There are so many backyard breeders, and so many more about to breed again, because people keep buying dogs from them.

    Want to help? Want to save a dog? Volunteer, foster and adopt OR choose only ethical breeders so we can shut these bad breeders down once and for all.

    When they can’t sell the puppies, they will typically give them away or surrender them to rescue…at which point, the applications FLOOD in and the puppies all find homes. But the 4 year old dog in rescue that has resource guarding issues and permanent joint damage because of his congenital flat feet? That dog may never find a home…and it’s the backyard breeders we have to blame for that.

  • No, You Probably Shouldn’t Breed Your Dane.

    I am SO curious how we’ve gotten to this point.

    We have two extremes!

    On one side, we have people saying ‘adopt don’t shop’. They scream this from the rooftops as if all of the dogs in rescue are a good fit or even available to every person who wants a dog.

    On the other side, we have people who think that all it takes to be a breeder is to have a dog with AKC papers. Diligence, ethics, and care be damned.

    Then there are those of us in the middle.

    I believe that there is room for BOTH ethical breeders and rescue.

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    The Rescues are FULL!

    This right here is the #1 reason you should probably NOT breed your dog.

    The rescues are full of dogs from breeders who didn’t care where those dogs ended up.

    They weren’t diligent about health and temperament, and created puppies that ended up in rescue because of abuse, lack of education, aggression, allergies, wobblers, blindness, deafness, and separation anxiety.

    Do you want to contribute to that problem? 

    The rescues are not full of dogs from careful, thoughtful, ethical breeders that have proven their lines, fully tested their dogs, socialized the puppies, and supported buyers for life.

    Adopt don’t shop believes that all dogs should come from rescues.

    An unintended consequence of this is that it ALSO means that all dogs come from backyard breeders.

    It is that simple, and what is happening is that more and more we are seeing dogs with insane health and temperament problems that make them a poor fit for many families.

    Don’t be a backyard breeder. Empty the rescues by not contributing to the problem in the first place.

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    Ethical Breeding Matters

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with thoughtful, careful breeding and with choosing to purchase a dog from a reputable breeder.

    All breeders start somewhere. We just encourage you to start closer to the finish line!

    Keep in mind that one of the main tenants behind ethical breeding is lifetime support.

    If you aren’t willing to stand behind the puppies you create and their owners for life, stop now.

    See how many of these items you can check off. If you can’t for some reason, ask yourself if breeding your dog really is the best choice.

    Are we kind of snobby about this? Yup.

    Hint, you should be too! Being labelled as a ‘backyard breeder’ isn’t cute. 

    • The dog you want to breed is a purebred Great Dane with a known lineage.
    • You’ve studied and can verify that the lineage, and your dog is free of aggression, anxiety, IMGD, bloat, wobblers, seizures, entropion and Von Willebrand’s disease.
    • The breeder you got your dog from meets all of the requirements on this checklist AND supports you.
    • The dog you want to breed has full (not limited) registration/papers (AKC or Canadian Kennel Club only).
    • The dog you want to breed does not have flat feet, a roached back, a short neck, weak rear, cow hocks, steep croup, excessive jowls, incorrect front limbs or extremely droopy eyes.
    • The dog you want to breed has good angulation, especially in the front. (Unsure what this means? Study the written standard and join the following amazing and friendly structure groups on Facebook:
      The Apollo of Dogs – Great Dane Preservation Society
      Great Dane Conformation Clinic
      Great Dane Heads
    • The dog you want to breed is an outstanding example of a ‘gentle giant’. He or she should be courageous and friendly, not timid or aggressive. Having a Canine Good Citizen and/or AKC Temperament Test title is a huge bonus!
    • Your dog is at least 2 years old.
    • You are willing to pay for, at minimum the following health tests: veterinary check, Hip + Elbow x-rays, thyroid test, Echocardiogram, Eye Exam with a board certified opthamologist, genetics screening (color), genetics screening (other as needed).
    • You are willing to not breed your dog if those tests are not passed with flying colors.
    • You understand color genetics, including what causes Double Merle puppies and are focused first and health and temperament.
    • You have potential puppy buyers lined up before breeding and are willing to be extremely diligent in choosing owners.
    • You are willing to support your puppies for life, and that includes ensuring that they never end up abused, neglected or in rescue for any reason.
    • You are willing to keep the puppies for a minimum of 8 weeks, and employ a dedicated socialization program (Puppy Culture is a good example).
    • You will only sell the puppies on a limited contract, especially until your breeding program is well established and you know how to choose buyers that are interested in your lines and ethical breeding.
    • You are willing to find a suitable mate that meets all of the above requirements.

    We support rescues AND thoughtful, diligent breeders.

    We believe that educating people about the difference between backyard and ethical breeders can pave the way to clearing the rescues much faster than ‘adopt don’t shop’ ever can, and will promote health and stable temperaments in the breed that we love.

    We have to turn this ship around, folks. Too many Danes are being bred with severe health problems and questionable temperaments.

  • Great Danes and Kids

    Great Danes and Kids

    We love to see Great Danes and kids together! Understandably, people have a lot of questions about this though. Because Danes are SO big, they can be seen as dangerous or unsafe to have around babies and children. While there is some truth to that (a jumping Dane is dangerous), Great Danes are often wonderful with children!

    The breed standard calls for a gentle, confident, friendly dog. It is unacceptable for a Great Dane to be aggressive, snappy, or unstable, though some are. Knowing how to adopt or purchase a healthy, well-tempered Great Dane is key.

    This topic today covers it all:

    • Are Great Danes good with kids?
    • Why do some Great Danes growl at children?
    • Can a Great Dane learn to not be aggressive?
    • How to develop safe and healthy relationships between Great Danes and children 

    To answer a few quick questions, yes Great Danes can make wonderful family pets. They are still, however dogs and giants at that. Read on for ideas to keep your kids from being squished, trampled, knocked over, and growled at!

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    Are Great Danes Good for Families with Kids?

    If you are considering a Great Dane for your family, here are some tips for choosing one that will integrate beautifully and be wonderful with kids.

    Work with a rescue that can match you with a dog that has a known temperament, OR choose an ethical breeder. There is no middle ground here.

    An ethical breeder will pair dogs with outstanding, kid and family-friendly temperaments, will fully socialize the puppies using Puppy Culture or a similar program, and support you for life if something isn’t working for you.

    Most rescues are interested in lifetime placement: be honest with them about your lifestyle & needs.

    Backyard and unethical breeding practices are nearly fully responsible for the reason why so many Great Danes have unstable temperaments (fearful, timid, aggressive, hard to train, out of control) that make them unsuitable for family life.

    Temperament has a huge root in genetics, so make sure you are choosing a breeder who is being diligent about this. For more information on how to choose an ethical breeder, read our post on the topic.

    We highly recommend reaching out to local Great Dane rescues as well. Inquire about fostering, volunteering, adoption, and donations.

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    Training a Great Dane

    Even a well-socialized, well-bred Great Dane puppy is going to need a ton of socialization and training!

    Children run, scream, throw things, and fuss which makes them really, really fun for puppies to chase, nip, tug, and tackle.

    This is NOT dominance and has nothing to do with ‘pecking order’. It’s simple puppy language. Puppies are immature, don’t yet know how to interact with humans, and do what feels good.

    Chasing and tackling kids FEELS good. It’s super fun and then kids tend to naturally reward the behavior by squealing and trying to shout, tug back or run away.

    As the adult in the room, it’s up to you to manage this behavior. Do not allow it to develop or be practiced. Crates, gates, leashes, a mat, and a pocket full of treats (to reward calm indifferent behavior towards children) are key. If the dog is playing gently with the kids, allow it. If the dog amps up, immediately leash up and redirect.

    If you are trying to fix this by repeatedly scolding the dog, shocking it, squirting it, pinning it to the ground or shouting you risk teaching the puppy to associate kids with punishment. Yikes!

    That wildly incorrect training method relies on the dog being allowed to practice the behavior first, and that’s the problem. Don’t allow practice. Teach, manage, and train your Dane. 

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    Training Children Around Great Danes

    Kids sitting on Great Danes is NOT CUTE.

    You will not change our mind on this one. It is never appropriate or safe to let children, even toddlers and babies, use Great Danes as a jungle gym, a horse, or pull their tails/ears/etc.

    Most dog bites are from known family dogs, to children, and are often labelled as ‘out of the blue’.

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    This is why, and it results in children being harmed physically and emotionally. Otherwise, wonderful dogs end up in rescue or worse, euthanized. For more information on dog body language and appropriate child-dog interactions, visit www.stopthe77.com and watch the video. 

    Encouraging children to wrestle with the dog, hug it, lay on it, pin it down, take its food, and pull on the tail and ears so that it ‘gets used to it’ is a dangerous and misguided idea. Instead of asking an animal to tolerate being mishandled, teach your children how to appropriately interact with dogs.

    A dog that has a positive relationship with children and has been taught how to play politely with them is much more tolerant of accidental mishandling. It’s that simple.

    • Never allow children to take food, bones, or toys. Resource guarding (which quickly leads to aggression) tends to become worse when the dog is taught through repetition that they should worry about their resources (especially food) being taken from them.
    • If a child (especially a friend or neighbor child) is trying to lay on, hug, scold or chase your Great Dane, step in immediately.
    • Do not allow children to crawl or lay on your Great Dane. Even the most tolerant Dane can eventually snap, especially when older age means more pain and arthritis, or when your child tries that on a much less tolerant other dog they meet.
    • Teach children how to freeze and become bored if a puppy starts to amp up. This will give you time to step in and redirect the puppy to something more appropriate.
    • Teach children how to use praise, treats, and toys to interact with, train, and develop a positive mutual relationship with your Great Dane.
    • Socialize your Great Dane around lots of kids! Socialization means positive exposure. Watch kids playing at a park. Hang out and watch kids riding bikes, playing tag, or swinging. Work on your basic obedience skills (sit, down, touch, look at me, leave it, wait, stay, come) while the children are playing.

    If you are worried that your Great Dane puppy is being aggressive and not playing, we’ve put together a huge blog post with information for you.

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    How to Handle a Great Dane that Growls at Kids

    If you have a Great Dane who is growling, snapping, or barking at children, this section is for you!

    Many factors can lead to this including poor socialization, bad past experiences, abuse, health, bad training methods, mishandling, and yes, genetics. It’s important to take it seriously.

    If you have a Dane that has shown any signs of aggression, fear, or frustration towards children, seek out the help of a behaviorist as soon as possible. We also recommend reaching out to your breeder or rescue and letting them know.

    Many trainers can do online consultations, which may cost less if you are on a budget.

    If you have a Great Dane that looks uncomfortable around children, lifts a lip or even offers a growl, step in immediately. As above, crates, gates, leashes, and in this case, muzzles are valuable and important tools.

    We do not recommend exposing a growly dog to children so they ‘get used to it’. Forcing a dog into a situation they don’t want to be in is called ‘flooding’, and can easily make the problem much, much worse. Not to mention, it’s dangerous for the dog and children involved.

    If your dog is unstable around children or the behavior is new/out of the blue, start with a vet check. Pain and other problems, including thyroid disease and eye problems can lead to aggression.

    There is no quick fix where your Dane will be magically ‘safe’ around kids. Using a cheap shock collar to punish the dog for growling, reacting, and being unstable around children is not the answer here. You MUST address the root cause. A good balanced trainer will use science-backed behavior modification and management methods, especially before layering in e-collar training.

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    Great Danes as Family Pets

    We believe Great Danes make wonderful family pets! Both of us have our Danes around children and their relationship is beautiful.

    They play beautifully in the yard together and our intact male Great Dane (3 years as of this writing) LOVES to hang out with them while they play catch, dig in the sandbox, swing on the playset, and build forts out of snow.

    We’ve also trained our puppy to be gentle enough on a leash that our 54 lb child can walk him.

    Our adult Great Dane is a rescue that had a horrible puppyhood, she too is wonderful with kids.  She’s a dog that enjoys and seeks out children to snuggle with her.

    Socialization, training, and genetics go a long way here! Be diligent, be the adult in the room. Recognize what your Dane is capable of and manage the environment. Help your children build a positive relationship with your Great Dane!

    Rescue Great Danes & Children

    Many rescues will not adopt Great Danes to homes with children under the age of 8 or 10. This can be disheartening, but there are many reasons for it:

    • Some rescue Danes simply aren’t good with kids.
    • Because children are the most susceptible to being bit, and because so many people allow children to treat dogs inappropriately, the Dane rescues may set dogs up to fail when they send them into homes with young children.
    • Danes are GIANT breed dogs that can easily knock over a kid, whack them with a tail, or squish them accidentally.
    • The rescues must place dogs for life. Child-free applications may receive priority.

    The Danes that come into the rescue with amazing temperaments that will be great with children are also the ones that tend to receive a lot of applications. These aren’t the dogs that typically or often sit waiting for a home. Many of them are snatched up by fosters (foster fail or foster to adopt) and never become available.

    The rescue wants NO chance that the dog will be returned to them and need rescue and re-home again, and they have to make choices that aren’t always understood by individual adopters.

    If you want to adopt a Great Dane and have young children, develop a relationship with the rescue! Volunteer for them. Show them that you have Giant breed experience and are a dedicated, thoughtful, and educated dog owner. Be there when those dogs come into rescue, instead of waiting for one to pop up and throwing your application into the mix, then getting upset when they don’t choose you.

    Don’t just run to the nearest backyard breeder out of frustration, it’s one of the worst things you can do for the breed as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong, however with finding and choosing an ethical breeder to purchase a puppy from, especially if adoption isn’t going to work for you right now.

  • Is My Great Dane Puppy Too Small?

    Is My Great Dane Puppy Too Small?

    If you recently got a Great Dane puppy, you may be wondering if your puppy is growing well and the right size!

    We’ve recently seen many people with extremely small 8 and 9 week old Great Dane puppies asking this question, and it turns out that one of three things is happening:

    a. Their puppy was sent home very young (an extremely unethical breeding practice, especially if the breeder is lying about age). A 6 week old Great Dane is too young to leave the litter. 

    b. The puppy is either poorly bred (bad genetics) or mixed somewhere in the line, and the breeder lied about it.

    c. The puppy has parasites, a congenital disorder (such as megaesophagus) or is failing to thrive in some way.

    In some cases, puppies are just small and that is ok too! Female great dane puppies are often smaller than males as well.

    Read on for more information about whether or not your Great Dane puppy is too small or just right.

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    HEALTHY DANE PUPPIES

    A healthy 8 week old Great Dane puppy that was thoughtfully bred, well socialized & properly cared for while still with the breeder will:

    • Have huge feet and ideally, tight knuckles
    • Have ‘heft’ and be weighty to pick up (plenty of ‘substance’ and ‘bone’), won’t  feel scrawny
    • Be curious, not timid or fearful
    • Have trimmed nails
    • Have bright, neat clean eyes and large clean ears
    • Weigh between 15-30lbs

    If you are concerned, chat with your veterinarian! They can easily tell you if your Great Dane puppy is healthy and growing on track.

    You can also reference our Great Dane Growth Chart HERE.

    Chances are, your Great Dane puppy is perfect! Each dog is different. Even from the same litter, sizes can vary, especially when comparing males to females or looking at a known runt that is still trying to catch up.

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    RED FLAGS

    Here are the red flags that your puppy is actually behind, underage or struggling to thrive:

    • The puppy isn’t gaining quickly and may appear scrawny and weak: see a veterinarian.
    • The puppy has a large, round distended tummy: parasites and worms may be a problem.
    • The puppy has sores and infections; chat with your veterinarian. You may also need to report the breeder to animal control.
    • The puppy lacks energy while awake.
    • The puppy has low muscle tone, flat feet, weak pasterns, weak hips and a weak core.
    • The puppy is vomiting, shaking, and/or has diarrhea (see a veterinarian immediately).
    • The puppy is extremely fearful and timid.

    .A puppy that is under 15 lbs may just be a small puppy, especially if it came from a particularly large litter. If your puppy is otherwise thriving, don’t stress! He or she will likely catch up.

    Some small puppies are not actually full Great Dane; study the pedigree and ask questions. Look at the parents and compare them to the written standard for Great Danes. Unethical breeding practices are resulting in a lot of ‘papered’ Great Danes that don’t really look like Great Danes. If this has happened to you, it’s ok! You have a wonderful family pet and that is what matters.

    There is never a reason to sell a puppy prior to 8 weeks of age. If your puppy is small and immature, chat with your breeder!  This practice is highly unethical and some breeders may even lie about age to get the puppies out of the house.

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    PROPER GROWTH

    Do not overfeed or supplement your puppy to make it grow faster.

    With Great Danes, slow growth is key.

    Over-nutrition and fatty foods can cause pancreatitis or increase the risk that the puppy develops hip dysplasia and other bone and growth disorders such as knuckling, HOD and Panosteitis.

    Bigger is not better! Forcing growth on a Great Dane and promoting overweight and oversized structure is painful, unhealthy and unfair.

    If your Great Dane puppy is actually struggling to thrive, see a veterinarian with Giant Breed experience.

    No matter what, love the dog in front of you!

    It is OK to have a smaller Great Dane! Your dog does not have to be larger than life to still be a very large, wonderful dog.

    If you are concerned about the health of your Great Dane puppy, chat with your veterinarian!

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    The information contained in this post is for informational purposes only. We do our best to present the most up-to-date research, however it is up to the reader to make decisions regarding the health and well-being of their dog. We make no claims here to prevent or treat bloat or any other condition related to Great Danes. Find a veterinarian with GIANT breed experience, and chat with them. 

    Some of the products we list on our website contain affiliate links. If you choose to make a purchase, we may receive a small commission for referring you. We only recommend products that we truly believe in. This commission does not affect the price of the product and is used to fund our content and expenses related to operating this website. We are powered by YOU! 

  • Pet Store Puppies: No, You Aren’t Saving Them

    Pet Store Puppies: No, You Aren’t Saving Them

    You may have seen them, those pet stores in the mall and strip malls. Pet store puppies are adorable!

    The pet shop has glass kennels full of adorable baby puppies that paw at the glass and look at you, begging you to take them home! The store feels cheery and fun.

    Some of the puppies may even look sickly and desperate to be ‘rescued’ from the pet store. They hang their head and look like they need to be fed.

    Great Dane puppies in pet stores tend to look especially sad because they grow so fast. The pet stores are not equipped to deal with them or their nutritional needs. 

    The employees will tell you that the puppies are from ‘family breeders’ and that they have ‘pedigrees’, meant to make you feel better about purchasing one.  The prices are usually astronomical, which is also a marketing tactic built around the belief that higher pricing = higher quality.

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    A sweet, poorly bred double merle ‘merlequin’ puppy from Petland

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    Pet Store Great Danes are often shipped from other States, in semi-trucks full of dogs.

    By the time these puppies are moved from their ‘breeder’ to the pet store, and then spend a day or two in a small pet store display case, they can look positively scrawny and even sick.

    These puppies are not given the best start in life, to begin with, and then they are distributed to pet stores the same way that beach balls and loaves of bread might be.

    They are fed an incorrect diet, kept confined in the glass cases for hours of each day and night, and are often suffering from infections or even parasites.

    By the time they are ‘sold,’ they are often in the middle of, or past their socialization window.

    Pet store puppies come with a NO RETURNS policy. It is up to the buyer to deal with the dog for life, even if serious health problems, temperament issues, or family problems pop up in the future.

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    Bad Beginnings for Pet Store Puppies

    It does NOT matter what the pet store tells you. Pet Store Great Danes do NOT come from ethical, reputable, or quality breeders

    Ever. It’s impossible. No ethical, reputable breeder would allow their puppy to be sold in a pet store to a random buyer, no matter what they tell you. Ethical breeders want a relationship with every puppy buyer and if they ship the puppies that they love and worked so hard for to Petland, that won’t happen.

    Pet store puppies come from puppy mills. A puppy mill can be a large operation with lots of dogs (common in Missouri), an Amish pet farm, or a ‘ranch’ or ‘family’ that breeds multiple breeds in their backyard using kennels and runs.

    These dogs are bred indiscriminately, regardless if they have issues with health and temperament.

    Many of the dogs used in puppy mill breeding operations (even the nice-sounding ‘family breeder’ ones) are kept primarily in cages and kennels for most of their life. They are not often, if at all offered any kind of enrichment outside of this environment. These dogs receive no training titles (Canine Good Citizen) or show titles, and wouldn’t likely be able to obtain them anyway.

    In some of the worst mills, the dogs live in crates with wire bottoms. They are bred there and whelp (birth) their puppies in this environment. Other dogs in cages contribute to anxiety and noise levels (barking, howling, crying). Remember, stressed-out mothers create timid, fearful, and stressed puppies. 

    The puppies are raised inside of this cage or a small ‘whelping area’, and removed before 8 weeks so they can be shipped to pet stores. On her next heat cycle, the mom is bred again.

    Once she no longer produces babies, they either euthanize her (often inhumanely) or dump her in a rescue, where she often requires significant physical and emotional rehabilitation. 

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    Pet Store Puppies Reward Puppy Mills

    When you purchase a puppy from a pet store or from a puppy mill you directly finance, endorse, and support this kind of operation.

    You reward the people for breeding dogs this way. You give them money to continue doing it.

    You perpetuate the problem. 

    You may have ‘saved’ the one cute, scrawny, sickly-looking puppy that came with a ‘health guarantee’ and ‘papers’, but that’s it.

    The mother of your dog will be bred again. She will produce more puppies just like yours that will end up in the pet store, and you paid them to do it.

    We aren’t here to make you feel bad, but we do need to be very clear about this.

    Purchasing a sad puppy from a pet store is NOT RESCUE. It is considered extremely unethical when actual dog rescues with 501c3 papers purchase dogs from puppy mills to ‘save’ them.

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    The Catch-22 of Buying Puppies from Pet Stores

    The reason puppy mills continue to exist is because people keep ‘rescuing’ dogs from them.

    Think about this. They’ve scammed you.

    A sick little puppy is pretty easy to sell! It tugs at your heartstrings. It makes you FEEL good about your purchase because you ‘saved’ the puppy.

    The pet stores and the puppy mills know this and they capitalize on it. 

    The breeders of these dogs do NOT care about the dogs or the puppies. It’s up to us to care.

    One of the most caring and impactful things we can do is to STOP supporting their business. 

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    Should I Report Pet Stores With Sick Puppies?  

    Of course, each dog’s life is valuable. It has worth. There is no reason for that puppy to suffer and unfortunately, many do.

    Many of these puppies struggle with painful health conditions. Pet store puppies are also known for being anxious, nervy and timid.

    Suffering comes in many forms. 

    Purchasing a puppy from the pet store does not stop the suffering. But educating others and being an advocate for Great Danes does.

    If you do see a pet store puppy that needs help, report them to animal control. Take a photo and share it with others. Resist the urge to purchase this puppy; he isn’t the only one that needs help or is suffering.

    Write a review of the pet store online. Use Google, Yelp, social media, and your blog to put them on blast. Educate others about why ‘saving’ puppies from pet stores is contributing to the problem.  

    When a pet store cannot sell puppies, they often surrender them to veterinarians and rescues or give them away to employees. This is a much better place for them to be!

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    What Happens to Pet Store Puppies That Aren’t Sold?

    It depends on the pet store and where the dog was sourced from, but the following things can happen:

    • The price is reduced until somebody buys.
    • The dog is transferred to another pet store.
    • The dog is returned to the ‘breeder’ and becomes the breeder’s choice; used for breeding, sold at auction, hoarded, given away, or euthanized.
    • The dog is given to an employee or veterinarian.
    • The dog is dumped into rescue; sick puppies cost the rescue money they don’t have.
    • The dog is euthanized (may be common if the dog is especially ill).
    • The dog is returned to a breeder-store broker and resold elsewhere.

    It’s a tragic fate for these dogs and extremely taxing on rescues, but the truth is that pet stores don’t have much trouble selling these puppies. The ‘sad puppy in the window’ doesn’t need saving, because if you don’t buy it somebody else likely will.

    Then the cycle continues. Stop ‘rescuing’ dogs from pet stores, puppy mills, and garbage backyard breeders. Doing so is contributing to the perpetuation of this horrible, horrible problem.

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    How to Make a Difference

    Look at all of the Great Danes that are sitting in rescues right now that need our help.

    Look at the Great Dane rescues, too. Notice how they are desperate for financial donations and help with volunteering and fostering.

    GET INVOLVED. Stop believing that you ‘saved’ a dog from a pet store, and start saving dogs. Be there when a mill breeder dumps a litter of sick and timid 4-month-old puppies on rescue.

    Be there when an overbred mama with mastitis and parasites is found left on the side of the road

    Be there when a rescue is called to deal with a hoarding case, where 50 dogs are found emaciated, starved, covered in sores and over-bred as part of a puppy mill operation that feeds the pet stores.

    Be part of the big picture and part of the solution. None of this is fair to that one puppy at the pet store, but it’s especially not fair to the dogs that paved the way for the puppy to get there in the first place. 

  • We Have to Stop Doing This to Great Danes

    We Have to Stop Doing This to Great Danes

    Sometimes I feel like we are screaming from the rooftops, and nobody is listening.

    I know the Great Dane rescues all feel this way. People that volunteer and work in rescue are TIRED. They are emotionally exhausted, and the problem?

    It’s all our fault.

    It doesn’t have to be this way. The rescues don’t need to be overwhelmed with pleas to help 100’s of Great Danes that have health problems, aggression or that have been abused, abandoned or neglected.

    But they are. They are literally buried in these dogs.

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    TWO MONTHS

    In just two months, ONE Great Dane rescue took in over 100 dogs, and had to turn down many others. Read this:

    ? Poseidon: our true miracle boy. His bills continue to come in as he is now healthy enough to be neutered. He’s also heart worm positive.

    ? Luna: a sweet girl that we rescued and despite ICU care we could not reverse the neurological condition that she had and she passed away
    ? Luna: our pup we only had briefly as she passed away battling bloat/GDV
    ? Luna: one of our newest pups- she has a nasty flare with an autoimmune disease after being in a shelter, she required two days of ICU care
    ? Octavia: a terrified girl who requires a vet who could do home visits since her fear was so bad.
    ? Puppy Jack: attacked by another dog, had surgery to clean up his wounds, which then became infected, and he needed another surgery after that!
    ? Diva: a serious UTI when we first got her, followed by severe arthritis in her back when the cold snap happened
    ? Cricket and Mantis: have ruptured CCLs.. looking into options
    ? Aegues: severely malnourished due to terrible teeth, will require extensive dental work
    ? Maggie and Jada: gorgeous mastiff pair who both need major entropion surgery on their eyes
    ? Macy: became very sick when we got her with pieces of metal in her GI track
    ? Princess: will require surgery to remove a large mammary tumor
    ? Kahulah: will require extensive vetting for tumors in her mouth
    ? Daisy: had 15 gorgeous puppies and her body is still recovering from the traumatic birth. She has infections and sores all over
    ? Marvel: attacked by another dog before we got him, has a broken leg, may require amputation
    ? Bruno: new intake, may have a neurological disorder
    ? Yana: serious dental disease causing a lot of pain and suffering- will have multiple teeth removed
    ? On top of all this, we don’t talk about the Mississippi cruelty case Danes often because they are still tied up in the court system. These guys still aren’t healthy and we are continuing to pay for their care, of course. One of the puppies will likely need her eye removed (due to a birth defect), and another has kidney issues that we need to tackle.
    ? We are also taking in a boy with serious demodex this week, and may be getting a possible wobblers case. ?

    SRGDRR in TEXAS

    That was just from one heartbroken Facebook post by just ONE rescue: Save Rocky the Great Dane Rescue & Rehab in Longview, TX.

    If you don’t think this is a problem, read it again.

    These are dogs that often have serious medical, temperament and training problems and need expensive interventions. Many of these dogs were sold to owners that abused and neglected them.

    None of these dogs came from ethical breeders that gave a damn about where those dogs ended up or the health issues that they would face.

    These dogs and the rescues pay the price.

    TOUGH LOVE TRUTH TIME

    Do you want this to stop? Do you want to stop seeing our rescues overwhelmed with unwanted and suffering Great Danes?

    Do you want to stop hearing pressure from rescue advocates to ‘adopt, don’t shop’?

    Would you rather see healthy, robust Danes or hundreds of Danes that are anxious and sick?

    BACKYARD BREEDERS SUCK

    Every time you purchase a dog from a backyard breeder, even without knowing it, you make a direct financial contribution to this problem.

    Unfortunately in the world of Danes, too many  breeders are operating unethically. They may appear ‘friendly’ and ‘diligent’ with clean puppies and half-baked ‘health testing’, but they:

    • Don’t care much about who buys the puppy, so long as cash was involved.
    • Don’t offer any kind of health or breeder support, and no honest return guarantee..
    • Indiscriminately bred dogs that have health, temperament and structural faults.
    • Think AKC papers are enough.
    • Don’t health test and prove that their dogs have quality genetics to pass on.

    GOOD OWNERS

    If you are reading this, it’s likely you are a good owner. We’d like to think that you wouldn’t abandon, abuse or neglect your dog.

    But each litter of puppies is multiple dogs. When you buy a puppy from a litter of dogs produced by a backyard breeder, you directly reward and fund that breeder to continue making more puppies.

    These are most often the kinds of puppies that could end up with preventable genetic health conditions, problems with temperament that come back to their genetics and early whelping, and abandoned by other owners that weren’t educated or prepared for them.

    DON’T BE PART OF THE PROBLEM

    Some of these might get your hackles up. But think about the 100 dogs SRGDRR took in from Jan-Feb 2021.Just because YOUR puppy is fine and well cared for, doesn’t mean that the others from that breeder are.  If you do any of the following, you are contributing to the problem:

    • Shopping for Great Danes puppies on Craigslist, in ‘AKC Great Dane Puppies‘ or similar Facebook groups or in Marketplace, from Amish Farmers (most often puppy mills), ‘Adopt a Pet’ or other puppy pile websites, or in pet stores.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane puppy from a breeder that offers them for the lowest price because you need a pet, not a show dog‘.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane from a breeder that pressures you to take the puppy home before 8 weeks of age, lies about the age of the puppies, and/or doesn’t thoroughly socialize the puppies.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane from a breeder that is breeding underage dogs (under 2 years).
    • Purchasing a Great Dane from a breeder that is breeding dogs with structural (roach back, flat feet, excess droop, entropion, etc.), health (heart disease, hip dysplasia, bloat, etc.) and/or temperament (aggression, timidness, soft, fearful, out of control) problems.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane from a breeder that doesn’t care at all if you breed it, rehome it, or even have it seen by a veterinarian because ‘It’s your dog, do what you want’.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane puppy by clicking ‘Add to Cart’.
    • Purchasing a Great Dane puppy from a breeder that skips or only does partial health testing. A ‘vet check’ or ‘veterinary clearance’ is NOT ENOUGH. We cannot stress this enough.
    • Breeding your own Great Dane just because it has a neat color, ‘Euro‘ lineage or AKC papers.

    PREVENTION

    Health problems, training issues and temperament problems are major reasons why dogs end up neglected, abused or eventually surrendered.

    A solid majority of those things are preventable through ethical breeding practices, educated ownership, and by making conscious choices as a consumer to either adopt or ONLY purchase dogs from highly ethical and reputable breeders.

    It is up to us to stop supporting backyard breeders that are creating unhealthy, poorly-tempered Great Danes and then not supporting them for life. Choose ethical breeders or rescues only. The breed depends on you to make the educated choice!

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    ETHICAL BREEDERS vs. ADOPTION

    There are 100’s of dogs that need homes and we believe there are only two choices: adoption or ethical breeders. 

    Ethical breeders care about health and structure, and understand how genetics can make or break the health and longevity of the puppies they produce.

    They fully health test Dam & Sire with no exceptions: this includes x-rays, echocardiogram, eye exams, genetic screening and blood panels.

    They only breed dogs with quality genetics in health, structure and temperament.

    Dogs from exceptional and ethical breeders are not often, if ever the ones overwhelming our rescues, breaking hearts and landing in homes that abuse them.

    Stop supporting backyard breeders, puppy mills and breeders that only care about the cash in your pocket. If we can put them out of business by turning our backs on them, we can quickly put a stop to this huge, huge problem.

    WANT TO HELP?

    There are MANY ways to step up:

    • Advocate. Flag posts on Facebook or Craigslist from breeders trying to sell puppies.
    • Educate. Share blog posts like this one, and Facebook posts from rescues.
    • If you wish to purchase a puppy, ASK QUESTIONS! Verify actual results from health screening (OFA.ORG is a great place to start), ask the breeder how they socialize the puppies (hint, raising them around children or chickens is NOT enough!), ask them if they honor a lifetime return guarantee. Read their contract. Ask for references. Study the pedigree. Meet the parents and compare them to the written standard for Great Danes.
    • Reject any breeder that isn’t operating ethically, no matter how much you want to ‘save’ the puppies. Report them to authorities if needed.
    • Foster, Volunteer & Adopt, even if you purchase your dogs from breeders. You can still offer to run social media accounts, transport dogs or fundraise.
  • Euro Danes: A Huge, Droopy Problem

    Euro Danes: A Huge, Droopy Problem

    I’m going to go there. We need to talk about Euro Danes.

    I will preface this by mentioning that I believe, fully, that every dog deserves love and a home. No dog should be cast out because it doesn’t fit some mold we’ve created. As a matter of fact, both of my Danes are true underdogs. Love the dog in front of you.

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    What is a Euro Great Dane?

    The term ‘Euro’ is used to describe Great Danes with a certain look. These are the traits commonly associated with the ‘Euro’ Dane:

    • Shorter and more stocky build
    • Larger head
    • Lower Energy/calmer
    • Huge jowls
    • Excess drool
    • Droopy face
    • Extra skin/baggy
    • Large chest
    • Saggy eyes, redness
    • Overall heavier frame

    Many people love and prefer the ‘Euro’ look in Great Danes, and purposefully seek it out when choosing a breeder.

    What Does Euro Mean in Great Danes?

    Great Dane breeders that sell ‘Euro’ Great Danes typically make it very clear on their websites and social media that their puppies are ‘Euro’ or have a percentage of ‘Euro’ in them.

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    Are Euro Great Danes European?

    Many breeders will import ‘Euro’ Great Danes from other Countries for their program, however, ‘Euro’ Great Danes aren’t actually a reliable or accurate representation of actual European dogs.

    If we look at the written standards for Great Danes, both ‘American’ (GDCA) and ‘European’ (FCI) Great Danes are nearly identical.

    If a breeder is breeding dogs according to the written standards outlined by nearly every Country (including Europe, the U.S. and Canada), they look like Great Danes, Apollo dogs. Not the ‘Euro’ Great Danes as we know them.

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    (BELOW: European fawn and brindle Great Danes. Notice that they are not refined nor are they too droopy).

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    Many European breeders that follow the written standard for Great Danes are understandably frustrated that the word ‘Euro’ has been attached to dogs from their Country, effectively changing the overall perception of what European dogs actually look like.

    Well Bred Standard Great Danes in Europe don’t actually look like this droopy Euro dog below.

    If they do, it’s because the breeder is breeding off-standard ‘Euro’ Great Danes, not because they are ‘European’. 

    The trend of ‘Euro’ look dogs is happening all over the world and is even pervasive in other breeds such as Dobermans

    Off Color and Designer Great Danes


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    An obese Great Dane with droopy eyes that was likely sold as ‘Euro’

    ‘Euro’ vs. ‘American’ Great Danes

    Great Danes were originally bred in Germany, and it is believed that they were a cross between English Mastiffs and Irish Wolfhounds or other sighthounds.

    A bred to standard Great Dane is neither ‘hypertype’ nor is it ‘hypotype’.

    Many people believe that ‘American’ Great Danes are too refined. However, a well-bred Great Dane that meets the written standard is a large, robust dog!

    Hypertype: Mastiff-like features, large, stocky, ‘Euro’

    Hypotype: Refined features, lacking substance

    Every breeder and Great Dane owner will have an aesthetic preference, and some variance of the standard is normal depending on the pedigree.

    ‘Euro’ and ‘American’ are simply marketing terms that indicate a dog was bred out of standard.

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    There is a problem in desiring those things without regard to the overall health of the breed and the dog being purchased and without regard to the time-tested Apollo Great Dane breed type.

    Euro, the Catch-All

    The term ‘Euro’ has become a catch-all for dogs that are overweight, heavy, stocky, and often very poorly structured.

    CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT TIME:

    Somehow, breeders have made the term ‘Euro’ sound desirable.

    The word ‘Euro’ is most often used by backyard breeders and often as a means to glorify or justify breeding dogs that often (though not always) have serious structural and health faults.

    Because there is no written standard for a ‘Euro’ Dane, there are no checks and balances. This is a key point. 

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    Health, structure and temperament problems abound in Great Danes, and it all comes back to unethical breeding practices in both standard breeders and ‘Euro’ breeders.

    With the term ‘Euro’, anything goes.

    When a breeder imports a ‘Euro’ Dane to use in their breeding program, they often believe (as do the buyers) that being ‘Euro’ is enough to merit that dog as quality breeding stock.

    What we are seeing in the popularity of Euro Danes is a progressive issue that is absolutely devastating to the Great Dane breed. 

    Euro Danes are becoming more and more ‘Euro’, and are looking less and less like actual Great Danes. 

    Euro Dane Health Problems

    Great Danes are giant breed dogs that absolutely need solid structure and good basic conformation to live a comfortable life.

    Backyard breeders produce dogs who are susceptible to fearfulness, aggression, joint issues, cancer, bloat, and heart disease.

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    This is the reason we have written standards (checks & balances); for the overall health and longevity of the breed.

    Euro Great Danes often suffer from: 

    • Cherry eye, entropion, vision obstruction
    • Painful joints and mobility issues
    • Obesity, allergies, infections & skin problems
    • Wobblers & other genetic disorders related to structure & movement
    • Flat feet, cow hocks, weak rear & front
    • Roach & other topline problems
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    Recently we’ve begun seeing ‘Euro’ Danes that are so droopy that they cannot see because excess skin obstructs their eyes.

    The older they get, the more gravity does its job and the more likely they are to suffer from additional irritation and other preventable eye problems.

    The Great Dane written standard (both European and American) state essentially that eyes “shall be medium size, deep set, and dark, with a lively intelligent expression. The eyelids are almond-shaped and relatively tight, with well developed brows. Haws and Mongolian eye(s) are very serious faults.

    Roached backs, flat feet and cow hocks are also not uncommon in ‘Euro’ Great Danes.

    Fat Great Danes are not healthy nor are they normal. Fearful, anxious or ‘protective’ temperaments are not actually in line with the breed standard either, however, all of these things tend to be ‘common’ among breeders that promote ‘Euro’ litters.

    We cannot justify these health problems by saying that ‘It’s ok, he’s Euro‘. Being ‘Euro’ does not make it ok for a dog to be heavy, unable to see or struggling to move gracefully.

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    A ‘Euro’ Great Dane with Droopy Eyes that may require surgical intervention

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    A standard Great Dane with normal eyes

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    EURO %

    Many breeders focused on ‘Euro’ type Great Danes will indicate that their puppies have a specific percentage of ‘Euro’.

    Short of actually genetically testing every puppy in a litter, it’s impossible to definitively state how much of the ‘Euro’ lineage one dog may have received from its ancestors. 

    This is a sneaky marketing tactic meant to make ‘Euro’ puppies sound more desirable and appealing than Great Danes that have a long pedigree of beautiful standard well-bred dogs.

    Ethical breeders care very much about health and structure before droop.

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    CHAMPION LINES

    Some breeders will say that their dogs, Euro or otherwise come from ‘Champion lines’.

    Tread cautiously with this. Ask to see pedigrees and the titles that were awarded. Anybody can put a bunch of ‘Euro’ Danes into a weekender ‘dog show’ and award made up ‘champion titles’. The exotic ‘European’ names may be an additional draw.

    Not all breed and pedigree registries are created equal. Unfortunately, this practice may in some ways dilute the value of a true AKC or Canadian Kennel Club Champion titled dog.   

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    A ‘European’ Mantle Great Dane, AKA ‘EURO’

    THE APOLLO OF DOGS

    A well-bred Great Dane from parents with a quality, studied pedigree is an absolutely stunning dog.

    They are elegant, athletic, robust, large, and have incredibly stable and confident temperaments.

    Some breeders are highly focused on preserving and improving the original Great Dane Breed type.

    They study their pedigrees and work to actively minimize and eliminate congenital and genetic problems in the breed, including bloat, wobblers, heart disease, eye problems and more.

    This is the work of a quality, ethical and thoughtful breeder.

    Euro Danes

    If you are interested in more of the ‘Euro’ look in Great Danes, make sure you are choosing breeders that first truly care about health, structure and longevity.

    It may seem exotic and unique to import a dog or to choose a dog from imported lines, but we encourage you to take a good look at what ‘Euro’ actually means.

    A little extra droop in the jowls is one thing, but hiding poor genetics and breeding practices behind the word ‘Euro’ is another. 

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    HOW TO FIND A REPUTABLE GREAT DANE BREEDER

    Look for and verify:

    • Full health testing of both dam & sire, including x-rays, echocardiogram, eye exam and blood panels in addition to genetic screening.
    • Focus on health and temperament, including bloat, cancer, eye problems and heart problems
    • Puppies stay with the breeder until 8 weeks of age and are thoroughly and thoughtfully socialized (Puppy Culture or otherwise).
    • A contract & owner education.
    • Lifetime breeder support and a return contract that keeps Danes out of rescue.

    We encourage you to be patient and thoughtful when searching for a breeder for your next Great Dane, especially if what you want is purposefully bred out of standard in some way (designer color, ‘Euro’, mixed breed Dane, etc.).

    GREAT DANE RESOURCES

    This list of resources will be helpful to you if your idea of ‘Euro’ vs. ‘American’ Danes has been challenged by this article! We are here to educate and help:

    The Great Dane Club of America Written Standard

    The FCI (European Written Standard)

    The Federation of Deutsche Dogge Clubs

    The Great Dane Club of Canada Written Standard

    The Time Traveler (Book, the History of Great Danes)

    The Apollo of Dogs – Great Dane Preservation Society Group on Facebook 

    Great Dane Conformation Clinic Group on Facebook

    READ MORE

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  • I Need a Pet, Not a Show Dog – Finding a Great Dane Breeder

    I Need a Pet, Not a Show Dog – Finding a Great Dane Breeder

    We hear this one a lot. As a matter of fact, you may feel this way yourself. 

    I need a pet, not a show dog”

    If you aren’t showing your dog, of course you don’t need a show dog. But that isn’t actually the point here. 

    Show dogs are loved family pets. Through the process of obtaining points in the show ring, they prove in some way that they are quality examples of the breed standard. By being good examples of the breed, they are more likely to pass on quality genetic traits. 

    You may not need a show dog, but you DO need a healthy, well-tempered Great Dane. 

    A thoughtfully bred Great Dane puppy from a breeder that does full health testing, obtains titles for their dogs (either in show, obedience or work) and offers lifetime support is most likely to become a well-loved, calm, easily trained, robustly healthy and loved family pet. 

    Many people believe that show dogs are inbred, abused, not allowed to be dogs or have fun, and are being forced to ‘parade around’ in a beauty contest for the enjoyment of humans.

    Have you met a Champion show dog? They are some of the most well-cared for, well trained and beautifully tempered dogs out there.

    Show dogs that do well in the ring typically have star power. They want to be there and thrive on the attention and environment.

    Because they are excellent examples of the breed standard, they can move comfortably and are free of anxiety, aggression and fear.

    Show dogs are most often well-loved family pets above all. They are allowed to play, to get dirty, to run with other dogs and to sleep on the bed.

    A thoughtful show handler will know how to work with the dog to make showing a positive and fun experience, and will recognize when doing so isn’t a great activity for that particular dog.

    Show dogs that want to be there are very proud of themselves and love to show off!

    We believe that competing in shows, obedience or trick competitions is WAY more enriching, interesting and fun for a dog than sitting on a couch all day. There is absolutely nothing abusive or wrong about working with dogs and competing with them in shows of all kinds.

    Breeders that show or title their dogs breed with quality in mind. They want their puppies to be healthy, robust and have outstanding temperaments, because promoting the breed and contributing to the health of the breed is important to them.

    Each litter will have several puppies, and only some are ‘show’ quality. The rest will still be very well-bred dogs and they all need amazing pet homes.

    Don’t be afraid to consider purchasing your next Great Dane puppy from a show breeder or a breeder that truly cares about their puppies genetic lineage, health and trainability.

    Backyard breeders and careless breeding practices are literally ruining Great Danes.

    Giant Breed dogs have no room for error when it comes to structure, yet many breeders that don’t show their dogs to prove their conformation completely disregard hip, foot, elbow and spinal health.

    When you seek out a cheap breeder so that you can buy a ‘pet, not a show dog’, you are more likely choosing a breeder that in contributing to the following genetic problems in Great Danes:

    Aggression and fear
    Bloat (has a strong genetic link)
    Cancer (genetic links are believed to be a contributing factor)
    Heart Disease and thyroid disorders
    Allergies and other nutrition, gut health and environmental sensitivities
    Anxiety, over-excitement, reactivity
    Eye disorders
    Poor overall breed type (lacking the robust, healthy and graceful Apollo ‘look’ of the breed)
    Structural disorders that lead to pain and early arthritis
    Wobblers and other degenerative muscular and bone disorders
    Lower overall average life expectancy for the breed as a whole

    Backyard breeders and puppy mills are almost solely responsible for the reason why so many dogs are in rescue. 

    AKC papers are not enough to prove that a breeder is operating ethically.

    Ethical breeders care very much about the overall health, longevity and personalities of the dogs that they produce & study their pedigrees.

    They support the dog and buyers for life, and never want to see one of their dogs in rescue.

    They fully health test (Hips, elbows, heart, eyes, thyroid and genetic disorders) their dogs.

    Cheap ‘pet’ breeders on the other hand are often operating in volume, sell puppies based on merits unrelated to the actual health and structure of Great Danes (‘designer color’ or a specific % of ‘Euro’), rarely health test their dogs beyond a ‘vet check’, will sell puppies to anybody with money to buy one, and are less likely to offer support or a lifetime return guarantee that keeps dogs out of rescue.

    Basic idea here, you are correct. You don’t likely need a show dog unless you plan to show, title and breed Great Danes.

    However, if you are choosing to purchase a dog from a breeder instead of a rescue, you have a responsibility to make sure that you are supporting only breeders that are contributing positively to the health, temperament and longevity of Great Danes as a whole.

  • Should I Choose a Breeder or a Rescue for a Great Dane?

    Should I Choose a Breeder or a Rescue for a Great Dane?

    Are you looking to add a Great Dane to your family?

    There are a LOT of misconceptions about adopting rescue dogs and choosing breeders, so we want to clear this up with our post today.

    To put this simply, we believe that there is room for BOTH breeders and rescues, and that choosing the right breeder can actually mean less dogs end up in rescue. 

    We hope you use our post today as a guide towards making a decision between choosing a rescue Dane or finding an ethical, quality breeder for your next Great Dane!

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    BREEDERS AREN’T PERFECT

    The main reasons people cite for choosing a breeder over a rescue, is that they:

    • Want a puppy so they can develop a bond.
    • Want a puppy they can train ‘their way’.
    • Have kids and want a puppy so they know it will be raised around children and not aggressive.

    These ideas disregard the fact that there are many wonderful, calm, stable dogs with known temperaments in rescue, dogs that could make excellent family dogs.

    Not every rescue dog has a ‘sob story’ or bad habits. Many are house trained, walk beautifully on a leash and love children.

    You don’t HAVE to have a puppy to guarantee ‘success’ with integration into family life.

    As a matter of fact, choosing the wrong breeder for your puppy or using poor training and socialization techniques could mean that you end up with an aggressive, unstable or out of control dog anyways.

    No ethical rescue will place a Great Dane into your home if you, and the Dane, aren’t a good fit for each other. This also means that it may be difficult to find the right rescue Dane for your home, which brings us back to the fact that it is a perfectly acceptable choice to choose a breeder!

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    RESCUE ISN’T FOR ALL

    Fact #2, rescue dogs, and choosing rescue is NOT the right fit for every family.

    Rescues desperately want to keep dogs out of the rescue system, so they will work very hard to place dogs only in the right homes. Even if this means keeping dogs in foster longer.

    This could mean being turned down for a rescue dog because you have young children, no giant experience, inadequate fencing, no history of prior dog ownership & appropriate vet care, or your family isn’t the right fit for a rescue dog that has specific needs (health, training, etc.).

    This can be extremely frustrating, however it doesn’t make it acceptable to run out and find the first puppy available on Facebook or Craigslist.

    It’s much easier to clear the rescues when we stop the flow of dogs needing rescue in the first place, than it is to believe that all breeders are bad and everyone should adopt.

    Why are so many dogs in rescue in the first place? It comes back, nearly 100% to unethical, puppy mill, and backyard breeding practices.  These breeders create unhealthy, poorly structured dogs with poor temperaments, or dogs that don’t end up being truly wanted, and sell them to anybody with a wallet.

    If you are unable or uninterested in adopting a rescue dog, the worst thing you can do is turn around and choose a dog from an unethical breeder.

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    CHOOSING A BREEDER

    When looking for a breeder for your next Great Dane, ask lots of questions! Look for breeders that meet the following basic standard of ethics:

    A puppy from quality, fully tested parents with excellent temperaments and structure that has been thoughtfully raised and properly socialized since birth will be much less likely to:

    • Suffer as a result of poor structure (flat feet, roached back, improper angulation, cow hocks, weakness)
    • Develop life-threatening, painful, expensive and frustrating health problems such as bloat, wobblers, eye disorders, heart disease, blood clotting disorders and even cancer.
    • Develop anxiety, aggression, over-excitement or other signs of poor temperament.
    • Be timid and fearful.
    • Contribute to the ‘short life span’ statistics that Great Danes are known for.

    Puppies from ethical breeders are easier to train (potty training, puppy biting, crate training, socialization), integrate easier into family life, and will not likely end up contributing to the rescue problem (the breeder sells only to educated owners, offers lifetime support and will take them back for any reason).

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    CHOOSING A RESCUE

    Despite all of the poor breeding practices, there are many amazing Great Danes in rescue, and they absolutely need and deserve homes!

    If you are choosing a rescue dog, be upfront and honest about what you need in a dog for your family, and what you can or cannot provide.

    It is better to choose an ethical breeder than it is to lie on an adoption application and ultimately end up with a dog that isn’t the right fit for you.

    Choosing or fostering rescue dogs and even puppies with health and temperament issues can be immensely rewarding! Volunteer work & financial donations are also needed.

    Matilda (one of my Great Danes, shown) came from a rescue at 5 months of age. She is missing a leg (thanks to her unethical, backyard breeder, yikes!) and will struggle with that and the poor structure she was given (through unethical, careless breeding practices) for her whole life.

    However, she is an amazing dog. Wonderful with children, people and dogs. She is calm, easy to live with and loves life. Matilda is well loved by many people, and won’t hesitate to give the most sweet and gentle kisses to anybody willing to love on her. (Follow Matilda on IG @Jacksonandmatilda)

    Rescue dogs, even the ‘broken’ ones, can make amazing pets.

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    Essentially, there are good reasons to choose ethically bred dogs or rescue dogs.

    Neither option is without fault or purpose, and both choices can be appropriate for you and your family! You should never be made to feel guilty about choosing a quality, ethical breeder, nor should you hesitate to pour your heart into rescue.

    Our goal with both should be the health, longevity and quality of life of this beautiful breed that we all love so much.

    So what happens with all of the cute puppies that backyard breeders have already produced and are trying to sell?

    This is the catch-22 of the dog world. By purchasing a dog from a backyard breeder, you financially reward them and provide them with incentive to continue carelessly breeding dogs.

    However by leaving that dog, you leave a dog that deserves a good home no matter what, especially if the puppy and parents are neglected or abused.

    But take note, purchasing a dog from a pet store or bad breeder is NOT rescue, nor is it helpful. Unfortunately, what feels like a caring act actually contributes to the problem and simply results in more unhealthy, poorly tempered or abused and neglected dogs. 

    However, when a breeder cannot sell puppies, they are less likely to breed again. The puppies may eventually be given away or surrendered to a rescue where they can be properly homed. 

    If you encounter a breeder with particularly bad practices and unhealthy dogs, report them! Your local animal control, Great Dane rescue and governing authorities may be interested and can help.

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